I Don't Have Time for This
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Commenter Gleb asks,
Marie, What's with the hate towards Snowden? He revealed US spying on Chinese? Believe me, they already knew. And remember a couple of months ago there was talk of 'cyber war'? Well seems now the high horse is no longer there. So the end result is Snowden revealed something that might stop a confrontation with China. Something we did not need to know? Come on, we needed to know this, Marie!
Commenter WaltWis sez,
I've already expressed my disappointment with the comments expressed here about the Edward Snowden story, which seem to support the view of him as a 'traitor' or a 'wuss.' The comments based on the initial reports and a hostility toward G. Greenwald. Here is Max Frankel's take on Snowden and his importance in providing the public with information that the public ought to know.
Marie-- Please answer Gleb's question.
As regular readers of Reality Chex know, I am one person, & my day is the same length as yours. I link to news items that I think might be of interest to readers and to commentary on those news stories, whether or not I agree with the commentary. Readers of Reality Chex, as the Comments section proves every day, are pretty damned smart, and they form their own well-considered opinions. If I thought my readers needed constant guidance, maybe I'd spend more of my limited time expressing my opinions in posts like this one. Instead, I write opinion pieces only occasionally, and then it is usually to clarify or synthesize something I've noticed. I certainly don't write to lay down the law as to what is “correct” or “wrong” thinking. I merely add to the conversation. But it is a conversation, and readers are bound to disagree with me. Sometimes they say so, sometimes not.
To more or less demand that I defend my positions is fairly intrusive. If I make a comment on a news item or opinion piece, the reason for my comment is usually self-explanatory – if you read the underlying story I've linked. Moreover, this is my site. I get to write stupid stuff as long as it's lawful stupid stuff.
I don't know where Gleb gets the idea I hate Ed Snowden. I think Snowden is a naïve, selfish, careless jerk, but that doesn't mean I hate him. I don't. It's rather silly to make charges about my feelings when they are not feelings I've ever expressed but are ones someone has decided to attribute to me. I've wasted a whole minute-and-a-half of my life here refuting something I didn't write or say.
I also don't know where WaltWis gets the notion I am hostile to Glenn Greenwald. I'm not. But I have warned readers that Greenwald is not a commentator like, say, Jim Fallows or Steve Benen. Those writers look at issues in a balanced, sensible way. They consider – and acknowledge – factors that might mitigate against their views and they may alter their views in light of new information. Greenwald, by contrast, is an advocate. He has a point of view, and he attacks it as an attorney representing a client would do; that is, he shades, obfuscates, elides, misdirects, assails, etc., to get his guy off, without outright lying to judge & jury. That doesn't make Greenwald a bad guy, but it does mean that the reader must be skeptical of everything he writes. Greenwald does not write to illuminate as much as he does to convince. His objective is to get you to acquit or convict, not to get you to a place of greater understanding.
I think the comment to which Gleb & WaltWis are objecting was my remarking about “more info we don't need to know,” my response to this:
Toby Helm, et al., of the Guardian: 'Edward Snowden, the former CIA technician who blew the whistle on global surveillance operations, has opened a new front against the US authorities, claiming they hacked into Chinese mobile phone companies to access millions of private text messages.'
WaltWis seems to suggest that Max Frankel disagrees with me. Really? As far as I can tell, there is nothing in Frankel's essay that contradicts what I wrote. In fact, I fully agree with Frankel's op-ed. Frankel does not change my opinion of Snowden (nor does he attempt to). Perhaps Gleb & WaltWis should read Henry Blodgett's take, also linked today. Blodgett expresses what I – and subsequently many other commentators – have said since Snowden surfaced & began giving up information of interest to the Chinese.
Gleb (and Roger Henry – see today's Comments) argue that Snowden's revelations about the U.S. & U.K. spying on others don't matter because “they already knew.” This argument shows a complete lack of understanding of human nature, diplomacy and the honor/shame code. Snowden's revelations have embarrassed the Chinese as well as our allies & frenemies who attended the 2009 G-8, not to mention the U.S. & U.K. It is not in our national interest to have to publicly acknowledge spying on countries with whom we wish to maintain or establish good relations. (For some reason, Angela Merkel, by the way, was not all that reassured to learn that Obama claimed the NSA was only listening in on “foreigners.”) As long as China, et al., could pretend things were going along swimmingly, their “honor” remained intact. Snowden's revelations “shamed” them. So now, some heads will likely roll in China's version of the NSA, & China will shore up their software systems. We, in turn, will have to expend a pile of dough paying Booz Allen programmers to hack their newly-encrypted systems.
Maybe you can better understand this dynamic if I personalize it. Fred & Maude are married. Fred has been fooling around for years, and that's okay with Maude because she isn't all that into Fred but she likes the style of living to which he has accustomed her. Maude busies herself collecting things for the church bazaar & going to the garden club. She considers herself a pillar of the community, an admirable, “honorable” woman. One day at a garden club meeting, Maude's friend Agnes blurts out what Maude has known for years: “Fred has a girlfriend; he's had lots of girlfriends. You deserve better, Maude.” Agnes has shamed Maude. Because of this public shame, Maude feels she has to change her comfortable life to regain part of her honor. She'll never get it all back. Whatever decision she makes, she'll never again be that pillar of the community who deserves the admiration of others. Oh, and she won't be friends with Agnes anymore. In Maude's view, it was Agnes who ruined Maude's life, not Fred.
I don't think Ed Snowden gets that. Hong Kong may or not protect him,* but China is going to blame Snowden, not the U.S., for embarrassing them. China will, however, use Snowden's revelations as a chip against the U.S. & U.K. any & every time it is convenient for them to do so.
The danger in taking a hardline approach on anything is that it can blind you to reason. Some people think they have to take a “stand” on Ed Snowden, for instance. He's either a good guy or a bad guy. Once they decided he's a good guy, then everything he does is good. Then, if somebody says, “Well, Snowden did the nation a service by revealing X,” the hardliner assumes that somebody is on Snowden's side. I don't know what Max Frankel's thinking is on Snowden's character, but at this point, I have no reason to think Frankel's view is different from mine. Frankel didn't address the issue. He probably doesn't care. Snowden provided some information that Frankel – and I – think is important to know. And from there, as Frankel writes, we need to learn more. Russ Tice is moving us in that direction.
Now I have to go feed the stray cat and clean the pool.
* Update: I guess we more or less know now how Hong Kong deals with a sticky wicket.
Update 2: "Are too" is not conversation; it's the wail of a brat in a sandbox. So if there are any other zealots, wingers or Glennbots who would like to -- again -- repeat what I've already rebutted, it would be in your interest to stifle yourself. I'm trolled out, and as noted above, I don't have time for this shit. I'll just delete your comment.