The Conversation -- August 28, 2023
Florida. Timothy Bella of the Washington Post (Aug. 23): "Black students at a Florida elementary school were singled out and pulled from class for an assembly about how it was a 'problem' that they had performed poorly on their standardized tests.... The incident drew outrage from parents and prompted an investigation by the school district. Only Black fourth- and fifth-grade students at Bunnell Elementary School in Flagler County, Fla., [between St. Augustine & Jacksonville] were taken out of class ... for the assembly on how to improve their grades -- even students who had passing grades. Students were selected to attend based on their race.... Black teachers showed the students a typo-laden PowerPoint presentation titled, 'AA Presentation,' which noted how Black students had underperformed on standardized tests for the past three years. On the slide titled 'The Problem,' the school district identified Black students as 'AA,' or African Americans, in its assessment of their low overall scores, according to the presentation obtained by The Post.... As an incentive [to improve their scores], the students were promised meals from McDonald's...." MB: What? McDonald's? Not fried chicken & watermelon? Thanks to RAS for the lead.
Devan Cole of CNN: "The federal judge overseeing Peter Navarro's contempt of Congress criminal case on Monday called his defense arguments 'pretty weak sauce.'... Navarro, Trump's one-time trade adviser, testified Monday in his defense during a key pre-trial hearing in his case. He's facing charges for defying subpoenas issued to him by the House select committee..., claiming he did so because Trump asserted executive privilege in the matter. But during the nearly three-hour hearing before US District Judge Amit P. Mehta in Washington, DC, the judge appeared highly skeptical of Navarro's testimony.... 'I still don't know what the president said,' Mehta told Navarro's attorney Stanley Woodward, referring to a February 20, 2022, call during which Navarro said it was made clear the former president was invoking executive privilege.... Navarro says Trump [commented] to him about regretting not letting him testify. The comment had been used by Navarro and his team to bolster their argument that Trump did invoke privilege because his subsequent regret indicated as much. 'The record is barren, there is nothing here, even after your client's testimony,' Mehta told Woodward."
Brett Samuels of the Hill: "Former President Trump and his campaign Monday lashed out at the federal judge overseeing his trial in Washington, D.C., over his efforts to subvert the 2020 election shortly after she scheduled his trial to begin for March. U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan set Trump's D.C. trial for March 4 after special counsel Jack Smith's team asked for a Jan. 2 trial date. Trump's team suggested a trial date in April 2026, well beyond the presidential election. 'Today a biased, Trump Hating Judge gave me only a two month extension, just what our corrupt government wanted, SUPER TUESDAY. I will APPEAL!' Trump wrote on Truth Social, repeating his claim that his numerous legal problems amount to 'election interference' as he runs for a second White House term. Trump's team is likely to file motions and attempt to delay the trial, though the date itself cannot directly be appealed.... 'From setting a trial date for the day before "Super Tuesday" to sending a fundraising email the moment of President Trump's processing in Fulton County, the Biden regime is no longer hiding its nakedly political motivations,' [a campaign] statement said." ~~~
~~~ Marie: Maybe the "campaign" didn't notice that the Trump campaign sent out at least one "fundraising email the moment of President Trump's processing in Fulton County" and that it continues to try to fundraise off Trump's indictment & mugshot.
Ryan Nobles & Dara Gregorian of NBC News: "... Donald Trump criticized special counsel Jack Smith's office after a report that a member of Smith's team had a pre-indictment meeting at the White House earlier this year -- but a source told NBC News the meeting was with a career White House staffer and not, as Trump claims, a sitdown to get Biden administration approval for criminal charges. 'It has just been reported that aides to TRUMP prosecutor, Deranged Jack Smith, met with high officials at the White House just prior to these political SleazeBags Indicating me OVER NOTHING,' Trump wrote Monday on his social media platform.... 'If this is so, which it is, that means that Biden and his Fascist Thugs knew and APPROVED of this Country dividing Form of Election Interference, despite their insisting that they "knew nothing,"' Trump added. Trump was referring to a New York Post report on Saturday that said Jay Bratt, the Justice Department's top counterintelligence official, had a meeting at the White House on March 31 with Caroline Saba, who was then deputy chief of staff for the White House Counsel's office. They were also joined by an FBI field agent, the report said.... A source directly familiar with the meeting told NBC News that Saba had facilitated a meeting between Bratt -- a key investigator in the documents case -- and a career White House official who was in the same position in the Trump administration as well."
It Was Just a Christmas Vacation! The Washington Post's live updates of the Trump trials are here: "At a ... hearing in Atlanta, Trump's former chief of staff, Mark Meadows, has been testifying for hours about Trump's efforts to reverse Joe Biden's victory in Georgia; the purpose of that hearing is to see if Meadows can move his state-level indictment to federal court....Meadows was repeatedly pressed by prosecutors on why he visited a suburban Atlanta facility where Georgia officials were auditing ballot signatures. Meadows insisted he traveled there on his own volition as a chief of staff because he was already in Georgia visiting his two children for Christmas.... Meadows insisted it did not cross the line into campaign or political work for the Trump campaign and said he only communicated with Trump and White House lawyers about it....
"Meadows claimed that Donald Trump's effort to find fraud in the 2020 election took a small fraction of Meadows's time, with many other enormous tasks on his plate.... Meadows also said a large part of his job as White House chief of staff was setting up phone calls and managing the president's calendar. He said he attended numerous meetings and listened in on many phone calls that were political in nature simply to end the conversations a the right time....
"On several occasions, Mark Meadows claimed to have no knowledge of the Trump campaign's efforts to contest the election results. On Donald Trump's phone call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, on Jan. 2, 2021, which Meadows participated in, he said he did not know that three lawyers on the call -- Cleta Mitchell, Kurt Hilbert and Alex Kaufman -- had participated in a campaign lawsuit against Raffensperger.... When questioned about an Oval Office meeting he attended with Trump and Michigan state lawmakers, Meadows said he didn't know that the campaign was contesting the results in that state." MB: Totally believable. You testify for three hours that you have to know everything, you testify that the only reason you went to a signature verification audit near Atlanta was that you read about it in the papers. Yet you had no idea Trump & Co. had filed some 60 lawsuits & taken other actions contesting swing-state results in an effort to overturn the election. ~~~
~~~ From Monday's CNN liveblog: "The all-day hearing on former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows' request to move the Georgia election interference case to federal court in Atlanta has concluded. US District Judge Steve Jones did not rule from the bench on Monday. He acknowledged that arraignments in the criminal case were scheduled for September 6, and said he would rule as quickly as possible....
"Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger has taken the stand in Mark Meadows' court hearing. He was called as a witness by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis.... Before his testimony concluded, Raffensperger testified that he believed his January 2021 call with Donald Trump was held on behalf of Trump's campaign -- undercutting Meadows' argument that it was part of his role as a federal official.
"Mark Meadows testified Monday that ... Donald Trump's January 2021 phone call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger was Meadows' attempt to resolve Trump's concerns about voter fraud and 'land the plane' on the 'whole transfer of power. to Joe Biden. Trump's concerns about voter fraud were a 'roadblock' to the transfer of power, Meadows said. Therefore, Meadows said he tried to get this off the former president's list of concerns by getting on the phone with Raffensperger.... [Meadows] was on the stand for roughly 3 1/2 hours....
"Meadows denied one of the allegations in the indictment, saying he 'did not ask' Trump White House aide John McEntee to write a memo about how to disrupt the certification of the election on January 6, 2021. Meadows was pressed by prosecutors on how the federal government had a role in a state's determination of its election results. 'There is a role for the chief of staff to make sure those campaign goals and objectives are implemented at the federal level,' Meadows testified."
Judge Picks World Obesity Day, Super Tuesday Eve for Trump Trial. From a CNN liveblog on the trials of Trump: "... Donald Trump will go to trial in March 4, 2024, on charges alleging he worked to overturn the 2020 presidential election, federal Judge Tanya Chutkan said Monday." MB: That's all there is. I'll get up a full story soon. P.S. Thanks to Forrest M. for the obesity thing. Update: Here we go: ~~~
~~~ Alan Feuer of the New York Times: "The federal judge overseeing ... Donald J. Trump's prosecution on charges of conspiring to overturn the 2020 election set a trial date on Friday for early March, laying out a schedule that was close to the government's initial request of January and that rebuffed Mr. Trump's extraordinary proposal to push off the proceeding until nearly a year and half after the 2024 election. The decision by Judge Tanya S. Chutkan, issued at a contentious hearing in Federal District Court in Washington, to start the trial on March 4 potentially brought it into conflict with two other trials that Mr. Trump is facing that month. The district attorney in Fulton County, Ga., has proposed taking Mr. Trump to trial on charges of tampering with the election in that state on the same day. A second trial in Manhattan, in which Mr. Trump has been accused of more than 30 felonies connected to hush-money payments to a porn actress in the run-up the 2016 election, is set to go to trial on March 25. While Judge Chutkan noted that she had already spoken to the judge in the Manhattan case, the fact that three of the four criminal cases confronting Mr. Trump could go before separate juries in separate cities within weeks of one another reflects the extraordinary nature of the former president's legal situation....
"In remarks from the bench, Judge Chutkan ... played down arguments made by Mr. Trump's lawyers that they needed until April 2026 to prepare for the trial given the voluminous amount of discovery they will have to sort through. The judge also noted that ... she was not going to let the intersection of his legal troubles and his political campaign get in the way of setting a date. Mr. Trump, like any defendant, will have to make the trial date work regardless of his schedule,' Judge Chutkan said, adding that 'there is a societal interest to a speedy trial.'" ~~~
~~~ Also from the CNN liveblog: "Federal prosecutor Molly Gaston said during Monday's hearing in Washington, DC, that it was important to take the special counsel's election subversion case against ... Donald Trump to trial as soon as possible in part because of Trump's social media posts. 'On a near daily basis, the defendant posts on social media about this case,' Gaston said. Gaston also sought to use some of Trump's attorney John Lauro's own public statements in her arguments. Despite his complaints earlier in the hearing about the time it would take to go through the material, Lauro previously called the prosecution a 'regurgitation' of the House select committee's investigation in an interview after the indictment was first unsealed." ~~~
~~~ Marie: Reporters on MSNBC say Judge Chutkan repeatedly asked Lauro to propose a date more reasonable than 2026 and he refused to do so. Lauro also made his arguments in such an excited manner that Judge Chutkan twice told him to "take the temperature down."
MEANWHILE, in Georgia: From the CNN liveblog: "Former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows is fleshing out how his daily activities were all part of his role as chief of staff -- a crucial point that his' legal team is trying to argue to show his post-2020 election activities were part of his official duties. 'I would get invited to almost every meeting that the president had,' Meadows testified in Monday's Georgia hearing.... Meadows said that, at times, he was a principal player in the meetings, while other times he was more of an observer.... 'There was a political component to certainly everything we did,' he said."
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~~~ Here's the full transcript of Dr. King's speech, via NPR. Here's the full audio:
Charles Kaiser of the Guardian on the March on Washington: "One hundred years after the civil war, the treatment of African Americans persisted as a gaping wound in the purported land of the free. Then, suddenly in the 1960s, the bleeding from lynchings, bombings, beatings and shootings finally had a seismic effect. It galvanized the noble group who made the 60s so electric: the nimble, passionate and utterly fearless Black and white citizens who banded together to rescue America's soul."
President Joe Biden in a Washington Post op-ed: "Sixty years ago, the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. and hundreds of thousands of fellow Americans marched on Washington for jobs and freedom. In describing his dream for us all, Dr. King spoke of redeeming the 'promissory note to which every American was to fall heir' derived from the very idea of America -- we are all created equal and deserve to be treated equally throughout our lives.... Each day of the Biden-Harris administration, we continue the march forward. That includes a fundamental break with trickle-down economics that promised prosperity but failed America, especially Black Americans, over the past several decades.... Vice President Harris and I came into office determined to change the economic direction of the country and grow the economy from the middle out and bottom up, not the top down. Our plan -- Bidenomics -- is working.... Black unemployment fell to a historic low this spring and remains near that level."
David Lynch of the Washington Post: "President Biden ... continues a remarkable break with decades of trade policy that spanned both Republican and Democratic administrations. Blending a tough-on-China stance with lavish federal subsidies for favored industries, the president is reshaping the U.S. approach to cross-border commerce to focus on the needs of Americans as workers rather than consumers. Left out of the president's strategy, to the irritation of many business groups, have been traditional trade deals, which gave American companies greater access to foreign markets in return for allowing producers in those countries to sell more goods in the United States. The White House says the old approach cost many American factory workers their jobs. The president, who counts labor unions among his strongest supporters, surprised some in the business community by retaining Donald Trump's tariffs on Chinese imports after criticizing them during the 2020 campaign as 'erratic' and 'self-defeating.'... Biden's approach rejects the trade liberalization doctrine that held sway for nearly three decades after the Cold War's end."
The Trials of Trump
Perry Stein & Devlin Barrett of the Washington Post: "Pretrial jousting is now officially underway in all four of [Donald] Trump's criminal cases -- a packed schedule of court dates that will play out uneasily alongside his campaign activities as the front-runner in the 2024 GOP presidential primary race.... To help you keep track, here is a recap of what happened with the various cases last week, and what to watch for in the week ahead[.]" ~~~
~~~ Stephen Collinson of CNN: "Americans are about to learn significant new details on the timing and the substance of the trials of Donald Trump.... Two key hearings on Monday -- one in Georgia and one in Washington -- will take the drama over Trump's quadruple criminal indictments into a new phase, following the extraordinary scenes and political maneuvering that culminated in the release of Trump's booking mug shot last week. In Georgia, Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis will sketch the first substantive evidentiary arguments in any of the cases facing Trump in a hearing on ex-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows' bid to get his state case moved to federal court.... At the same time in Washington, Judge Tanya Chutkan will hold a status hearing to consider dueling arguments by special counsel Jack Smith and Trump's defense team over the date for a trial in the federal investigation into Trump's alleged attempt to prevent now-President Joe Biden from taking office. Smith wants the trial to begin January 2 -- two weeks before Trump's first big test in the 2024 primary race in the first-in-the-nation Iowa caucuses. The ex-president's team has asked for much more time, and is proposing a date of April 2026." ~~~
~~~ Kyle Cheney of Politico: "Donald Trump's path to the GOP nomination is littered with court dates. He is a defendant in seven pending cases: four criminal prosecutions and three civil lawsuits. Starting this fall and continuing through the first half of 2024, he is likely to face a near-constant string of trials that will overlap, and perhaps overshadow, the primary calendar.... He is unlikely to attend his three civil trials, all of which are scheduled over the next six months. But he'll be required to be in court for his four criminal trials across four jurisdictions, and those could last for weeks at a time while voting is underway.... Here's a look at what we know about Trump's upcoming trials, the key variables that could shake them up and how they will intersect with the primaries, which begin in January."
Tal Axelrod of ABC News: "The most recent ABC News/Ipsos poll, conducted Aug. 15-17, showed some problems for ... Donald Trump in terms of public opinion on his mounting criminal charges amid his comeback bid for the White House. The poll, released after his fourth indictment, over efforts to reverse his 2020 loss in Georgia, shows that he's not getting the post-indictment bounce with Americans that he's been touting on the campaign trail."
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Florida. Aaron Morrison & Russ Bynum of the AP: "Hundreds of people gathered Sunday at prayer vigils and in church, in frustration and exhaustion, to mourn yet another racist attack in America: this one the killing of three Black people in Florida at the hands of a white, 21-year-old man who authorities say left behind white supremacist ramblings that read like 'the diary of a madman.' Following services earlier in the day, about 200 people showed up at a Sunday evening vigil a block from the Dollar General store in Jacksonville where officials said Ryan Palmeter opened fire Saturday using guns he bought legally despite a past involuntary commitment for a mental health exam. Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis..., who has loosened gun laws in Florida and who has antagonized civil rights leaders by deriding 'wokeness' -- was loudly booed as he addressed the vigil." ~~~
~~~ President Joe Biden, in a statement, via the White House: "On Saturday, our nation marked the 60th Anniversary of the March on Washington -- a seminal moment in our history and in our work towards equal opportunity for all Americans. But this day of remembrance and commemoration ended with yet another American community wounded by an act of gun violence, reportedly fueled by hate-filled animus and carried out with two firearms.... We must refuse to live in a country where Black families going to the store or Black students going to school live in fear of being gunned down because of the color of their skin....Silence is complicity and we must not remain silent."
News Ledes
AP: "Tropical Storm Idalia was near the coast of Cuba Sunday on a potential track to come ashore as a hurricane in the southern U.S., the National Hurricane Center said. At 10 p.m. CDT Sunday, the storm was about 145 miles (235 kilometers) off the western tip of Cuba with maximum sustained winds of 60 mph (95 kmh). The storm was stationary at the time, the hurricane center said.... Forecasters said they expected Idalia to become a hurricane on Tuesday in the Gulf of Mexico and then curve northeast toward the west coast of Florida."~~~
~~~ Weather.com Update: "Tropical Storm Idalia may rapidly intensify into a major hurricane by the time it makes landfall in Florida on Wednesday. Life-threatening storm surge, damaging winds and flooding rain are all expected in parts of Florida later Tuesday through Wednesday, spreading to the Southeast coast by Wednesday and Thursday. If you live in an area prone to storm surge, be sure to follow the advice of local officials if evacuations are ordered. The latest on evacuations for Idalia can be found here."
New York Times: "An assailant fatally shot a faculty member in a laboratory at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill on Monday, forcing the campus into lockdown for several hours as students barricaded themselves in classrooms, dorms and bathrooms, the authorities said. Brian James, chief of the U.N.C. Police, said at a news conference on Monday evening that a suspect was taken into custody at 2:31 p.m., about 90 minutes after the police received a 911 call reporting that shots had been fired at Caudill Labs, a science building on campus. He did not name the suspect, saying that formal charges had not been filed. Chief James and Kevin M. Guskiewicz, chancellor of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, did not name the faculty member who was killed, saying that relatives were still being notified. The police are continuing to investigate the killing and have not identified a motive or recovered the weapon that was used, the chief said. He declined to discuss what relationship, if any, the faculty member and the assailant might have had." An AP story is here.
Reader Comments (12)
Address in Jacksonville by the right honorable white guy goobernator, Ronito DeSantolini.
I am here in Jacksonville to show “you people” the value of my racist anti-woke policies. You see—and I know none of you are smart enough to understand this—BLM, wokeness, and attempts to keep deadly weapons out of the hands of unstable MAGAts are what’s wrong with this country.
See, wokeness teaches hatred, fear, and paranoia. Not to mention makes white people uncomfortable, and there’s no greater sin, in my book, than making white people uncomfortable about the past, present, or future, so you all need to shut up about that. You need to learn to respect your betters. My policies, of course, have nothing to do with fostering hate and violence. That shit is on all of you, because white Republicans have had it up to here with you people moaning about three or four or fifty more of your kind being killed. Enough already! Let us have our mint juleps and read the latest Stormfront headlines in peace.
And I guarantee that my education diktats will help. This is yet another bad apple, lone wolf thing that we all need to forget about so I can continue to appease other bad apples and lone wolf shooters on my way to the White House.
My decision to forbid the teaching of black history is a great idea because in a short while none of your kids will be bothered by this lone wolf bad apple thing here in Jacksonville or any other racially motivated murders, which have no connection to my ideological values or that of the Republican Party, because I’ve made it illegal for teachers to talk about such stuff. It’ll all get dumped down the memory hole. Remember Trayvon Martin? No? See? It works!
So forget about it, go home, shut up, and remember, on Election Day, most of you will be barred from voting, I’ll have armed Nazi vigilantes at the polls to check IDs and harass the shit out of all of you. So go home, have some watermelon, and be thankful I don’t put you all back in chains.
Than you!
PS…like my go-go boots?
Another thought on the mugshot.
It makes perfect sense that Trump would want to affect the stern look made famous in Yousuf Marsh’s 1942 photograph of Winston Churchill . He steals so much.
The power of great photographs resides in part in their ability to capture a split second in time, but in doing so, making those fleeting moments timeless. The images, even many years on, move us through the interpretative lens of history, sometimes in connection with tragedy but sometimes in the way they can make even the most simple actions and looks iconic. Think of Dorothea Lange’s gut punch photos of dust bowl families in the 30’s, that mother with the hand to her face wondering about how she would feed the weeping children huddled against her. Does anyone think she workshopped her expressions with image consultants? The couple kissing in Times Square when the war ended, or Cartier-Bresson’s image of a man jumping over water.
Even the Churchill photograph, which has come to represent his defiant stand against fascism, had its origin in something much less earth moving than “fighting on the beaches”…Karsh, thinking that Churchill’s omnipresent cigar would smoke up the image, ran up to the PM, pulled it out of his mouth, then snapped the picture. That look wasn’t workshopped either. It was a genuine “WTF, are you kidding me?” look.
Churchill later remarked that Karsh could make a roaring lion stand still to be photographed, hence the name of that famous image, “The Roaring Lion”.
But Churchill was, in fact, fighting a life and death battle with fascism at the time. His look, while spontaneous, is genuine. So too the look of Lange’s depression era mother, so too the eruption of pure joy in Times Square on VJ Day, and so too that man in Paris trying to keep his feet dry.
There’s nothing spontaneous or genuine about the mugshot of the fat fascist. He seems to think just pulling a face makes him the equal of Churchill. But Churchill was fighting fascism. Trump is promoting fascism.
I guess there’s something genuine about it after all.
But this is no roaring lion, this is a whining weasel. Another great moment in the history of photography, a scared criminal thinking that by looking Churchillian, he can make it all go away.
This is definitely not an endorsement of DeSantolini, but I just heard a bit of a press conference he was giving about Hurricane Idalia, and I am here to report that DeSantis is definitely smarter than Trump. This was not Trump drawing a fantastical projected hurricane path with a Sharpie; DeSantis seemed to know what he was talking about and could ad-lib sensible advice. No musing about drinking bleach.
DeSantis remains, in my mind, a horrible person, and his "ideas," for the most part, are worse, but at least he's not as dumb as Donald. He is capable of listening to, grasping and conveying advice from experts. In that respect, he is infinitely more qualified to be president* than was the former guy.
The AA kids
"A Florida elementary school has prompted outrage for singling out its Black students to attend a special assembly identifying them, as a group, as a “problem” because of standardized test performances.
Students were chosen to attend the presentation based on race, Jason Wheeler, the communications coordinator for Flagler school district,
A slide labeled “The Problem” claimed that “AA”, referring to Black students, have underperformed on standardized tests for the past three years.
A subsequent slide added that students will be placed in a competition with each other to improve their test scores and could receive a meal from McDonald’s as a prize
Parents also said their children were reportedly told that if they did not do well in school they would end up dead or in jail."
Florida prosecutor fired by DeSantis was making case against crooked cops.
"the governor did one sheriff a huge favor by firing Orlando-area State Attorney Monique Worrell just as she was about to crack down on a wide-ranging cover-up by deputies who, she says, were faking documents to hide lethal and abusive behavior.
Unbeknownst to locals, Worrell’s investigators were actually in the final stages of a long-running investigation into corruption at that very same sheriff’s office in Osceola County—and the interruption would be welcome relief to majors who kept phoning friends at the State Attorney’s office nervously checking for updates in recent weeks."
March 4 2024 trial date for Trump in the DC election interference case.
Someone has a sense of humor, picking March 4 for trump's trial
date.
March 4th is World Obesity Day. Fits him to a T.
I'll happily go with March 4th, but I was kinda hoping for the 15th...
@Ken Winkes: I suppose jury selection will still be in progress on the Ides of March 2024, but it would be nice if one or two of Trump's co-conspirators figurative assassinated him during testimony that day -- especially since he'll have to be sitting right there as it happens. Et tu, Marcus Meadows?
Ken,
You mean the Voids of March-a-Lardo?
One of those who had their fifteen minutes of fame, long since extinguished, is no more. Tho' Joe the Plumber's time in the limelight has long passed, the NYTimes still noted his passing.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/28/us/politics/samuel-wurzelbacher-joe-the-plumber-dead.html
Not sure how I feel about it all, but the Times was apparently grateful enough for the print he provided to memorialize him...
Memento Mori?
https://crosscut.com/politics/2023/08/christian-nationalists-eastern-washington-promised-land
More "Fever in the Heartland?" No, not in Indiana and not 100 years ago...but the fever still rages across the land.
Scary folks.
Also makes the critical connection between corporate wealth and nationalism that goes back to the 1930's, when corporate money didn't much like FDR and his policies...